On January 20, 2012, Stan Wier scored 19 points to lead East Aurora past Maryvale in ECIC III  action.  After that win, Wier had 278 points on the season through 12 games, good for an average of 23.1 points per game.  Bolstering that number was his season and career-high 40-point performance in a holiday tournament win against West Seneca East back in December.  Aside from Wier's career night, his two best outputs on the season were 28 points against OTC/MEC in the MLK Classic and 27 points against Maryvale when the teams met for the first time in December. 

 

Then on January 27th, the Blue Devils visited Pioneer and Wier embarked on the kind of scoring streak rarely seen in high school basketball.  Beginning that night and in the four games since, Wier has scored over 30 points.  Here's a game-by-game look at the recent streak and how each game improved his season scoring average:

 

01/27 vs. Pioneer  – 32 points (23.8 ppg)

01/31 vs. Springville – 31 points (24.3 ppg)

02/03 vs. Amherst – 32 points (24.9 ppg)

02/07 vs. Cheektowaga – 37 points (25.6 ppg)

02/10 vs. Pittsford Sutherland – 34 points (26.1 ppg)

 

Averaging 33.2 over his last five games has moved his season average up a full three points to 26.1 ppg.  The pace has drawn comparisons to the torrid one Jonny Flynn treated us to in 2007.  I decided to go back to that season and find not only Flynn's numbers, but the numbers of other players who scored at a similar pace since Flynn played locally. Here's what I found:

 

2007 – Jonny Flynn (Niagara Falls) – 29.5 ppg

2009 – Robbie Seyler (Lew-Port) – 29.4 ppg

2011 – Jaysean Paige (Jamestown) – 26.1 ppg

2007 – Dominique Kendrick (Jamestown) 25.4 ppg

2011 – Blair Estarfaa (Maryvale) – 25.1 ppg

2009 – Lucas Haskell (Pioneer) – 25.0 ppg

2011 – Dazmond Knight (Tapestry) – 24.7 ppg

2008 – Edwin Ramulic (Kenmore West) – 24.3 ppg

 

Interestingly, three of the above mentioned players competed in Class A2 (Seyler, Estarfaa, & Haskell) and two of them in ECIC III (Estarfaa & Haskell), the same level of competition Wier is seeing.  Four of the above players played in Class AA and one in Class C.

 

 So what does it all mean? 

For Seyler (29.4 ppg), who dropped 35 on eventual Class AA state runner-up Niagara Falls and the only player close to Flynn's output, he only made fourth team All-WNY with the News.  I had him as second team that year, due to a quarterfinal loss in the A2 sectionals – otherwise he may have made my top five.  Seyler went on to finish 14th in scoring nationally in the NJCAA as a freshman and was 11th in the nation as a sophomore.  He also shot 47% from downtown that year (47 of 101).

 Haskell (25.0 ppg) also finished on fourth team and his Panthers were ousted in the A2 quarterfinals as well.  Estarfaa (25.1 ppg) made it on to second team last year.  His Flyers also fell in the A2 quarterfinals.

Ramulic (24.3 ppg) was a fourth teamer and Knight (24.7) made third team after leading his team to the Class C final, before falling to state semifinalist I-Prep.  Kendrick (25.4 ppg) wound up on the second team after his Red Raiders fell in the Class AA semifinals to Niagara Falls.

For Flynn and Paige, it meant Player of the Year.  Flynn went on to the NBA and Paige took his team to the Class AA state title game. 

 

Tonight, Wier's Blue Devils face a Depew team that held him to his lowest output of the season, an 11-point game on January 12th.  Between his limited scoring in their first matchup and the five-game streak he is enjoying right now, Wier should be plenty motivated to light up the Wildcats tonight.  With a light hoops schedule tonight, there might be a lot of hoops fans who turn out to see Wier in action.  I know I'll be there.

 

-centercourt

73 responses to “Stan Wier amidst a major scoring outburst”

  1. PatrickMoran Avatar

    I mostly stay out of the Wier discussion, which has certainly become the top hot-button topic of debate in WNY hoops this season.
    As someone who does not vote for the Buffalo News All-WNY team, though I do have my own little version of the All-BSD team, at this time (things change) Stan is a clear-cut choice for 1st Team all-star, though I don’t think he has a realistic chance at all of winning POY.
    It’s clearly Reggie’s to lose and in what’s been a year filled with parity, nobody has stood out enough to really challenge him. That could change, I dont think team postseason success should be the only major deciding factor on individual accolates (in the professional ranks MVP and ALl-Star teams are chosen before playoffs even begin) but short of someone catching fire and leading his team to championship or especially unexpected championship heights, I can’t see Reggie not winning POY.
    I been singing this song all year, but for me personally, the player I’ve enjoyed watching the most this year is Canisius’ Adam Weir. I really thin that kid has some serious all-around game and he’s incredibly unselfish. HE could average 30ppg on lesser teams if he wanted to.
    That’s why I HATE stats being such a big factor in awards.
    Take McKinley. Morris is their big scorer, but R. Jordan is the one who makes things happen.
    Riverside: It’s all about Justice Feggan, but I’m a huge Lamont Little fan.
    St. Joe’s would not be undefeated in league play if Kyle Briggs didn’t “D” up some of the best opponents and make clutch plays all season (scoring average stinks but irrelevent)
    Timon: Not a doubt in my mind, or anyone’s who watches them regularly that Jordan Williams is their best player, despite only averaging around 14ppg. IF he was in a Ryan Whelpley or Joe Lowery situation he’d put down 26-28 per game I’m very confident.
    St, Mary’s: Simmons’ value can’t be measured in statistics.
    I can go on and on.

  2. PatrickMoran Avatar

    BTW,
    It’s for all those reasons that had I had a Player of the Year vote last year, it would’ve went to East High Schools’ Tremmell Fisher.
    He was my favorite player to watch, put up solid but not eye-popping numbers, made his teammates better and led his team to postseason success.

  3. Roundman Avatar
    Roundman

    Could not agree with you more pat

  4. MMA Avatar
    MMA

    Patrick,
    Some good points about statistics not telling the whole story. Adam Weir and Jordan Williams are great examples of guys who could score much more if they played someplace where their scorinbg was depended upon.
    Will disagree with you about the POY. Right now I do not think it should be decided with too much season still to play. But it is decided already and since it is not a vote but rather just McShea’s sole opinion, there is no doubt he picked Stan W. He was not a Reggie fan last year and still is not. If it were a vote as you implied above, then based on how I think the rest of the season goes Reggie would win it rather convincingly. Glad you and Centercourt provide another prespective for fans and look forward to the All-BSD team again when it comes out.

  5. Walter W. Avatar
    Walter W.

    There is little doubt that the scoring tear that Stan is on, and his always impressive physical strength makes him look like a man playing against boy’s. Whomever the selection is the choice will be the correct one. Both Stan and Reggie are equally deserving.
    If one has advantage over the other in the statistical category that edge has to go to Stan. As a point guard he obviously has the ball in hands most of the time which creates more scoring opportunities.
    Either way the playoff runs by both teams will matter greatly.

  6. PatrickMoran Avatar

    To be fair to Keith, who as the sole real HS reporter for the Buffalo News, does listen to input from others but also does have the final call for Bflo News Player of the Year, as he should since it’s his reputation and that of the newspaper’s.
    Anyway, if I had a Player of the Year vote and had to cast it TODAY, it would go to Reggie, more so by process of elimination. I think Reggie has been fantastic, and while I hesitate to say he’s been POY almost everytime he’s stepped on the court, I can’t see anyone else who’s been better night in and night out.
    I am not a Stan Wier hater at all, I respect the hell out of his game and you don’t go to DI schools on full scholarships without having some serious game, but in his case stats tell too much of the story.
    If Stan can be P.O.Y. on an “OK” team because he’s on a scoring tear, I can make the same exact case then for Aaron Frasier, Jamaal Carter, Justice Feggans, Joe Lowery and Ryan Whelpley just as easily.
    Just like any sport at any level, it’s always fun and sometimes frustrating to dicuss POY and first-team all stars, but since the playoffs DO mean something, we have got to let things play out.
    If Stan leads his team to a strong postseason, he is definitely in the mix. I also think if Adam W or Jordan happen to lead their teams to a Manhattan Cup and have phenominal playoff runs in doing so, they deserve to be. How about Tommy Campion at Jamestown or Jermaine Crumpton or Williams from Niagara Falls? What if Martin Bailey or Campbell catches fire and Ken West goes all the way at Buffalo State.
    I’m leaving out a few Southern Tier guys Im not as qualified to comment on as I wish I were.
    Still a good amount, in fact the best hoops left to be played.

  7. HUH? Avatar
    HUH?

    Pat you are a big MMA fan how many Canisius games have you seen.

  8. PatrickMoran Avatar

    at least 5-6

  9. HUH? Avatar
    HUH?

    Same here and in all of those games Wier took the most shots. Unselfish was not what I saw. I would be surprised if wasn’t the leading shot taker for the team. Hard to take the most shots and be unselfish. Unless you are a one man band which is certainly not the case on his team.

  10. PatrickMoran Avatar

    He may take the most shots (though I’d go with Hart,another solid shooter) but he could take a lot more. Canisius has a bunch of shooters on that squad.
    Husband has that team geared for his four top guys to average between 14-17 per game at the most.
    Weir also does a lot of other things well that many good scorers in WNY don’t do.

  11. Sam Avatar
    Sam

    Pat, let me get this straight. If you had a vote for POY last year it would have went to Fisher at East? Then why was Paige BSD POY?

  12. Ricky Avatar
    Ricky

    I do not think for a second Adam Weir is selfish. I’ve seen 4 CHS games this season and not once have I gotten the impression that he was selfish. If I said anyone on CHS was selfish it’d be Hart, that said I don’t think Hart is selfish at all.

  13. HS BBall Fan Avatar
    HS BBall Fan

    Moran and Guest: boys, before you comment, please go out and watch a few games. Wier guards the opponents best, whether on the perimeter or the post, then brings the ball up and out rebounds the others beside shooting the 3 and going to the line more than most. The fun is always in the debate, but you guys are clueless, blind or have no basketball acumen. Either way, your comments can’t be taken as anymore than that. Check in after a few days……

  14. McShea is God Avatar

    I want 2 take official credit 4 starting all this player of the year talk. There have now been over 350 posts on this subject ALONE! Thanks 4 all the imput. It’s funny how Pat and all the Anti Stan guys put other kids on bad teams scoring (not as much per game mind u which they never mention) but fail 2 mention he was the 2nd leading scorer on NICHOLS in the ‘MMA’ when they won the State Fed title 2 years ago in Class A.
    Just remember – Stan is the man. I will b taking him out 2 breakfast April 7th when the paper comes out, then asking his Dad 2 borrow some chew!

  15. Patrick Moran Avatar

    whoa, when did I become anti- Stan Wier???
    Are you kidding me? I said he’s one of only 2 locks for First-Team, All-WNY.

  16. UB Cheerleader Avatar

    I am glad Stan Weir is getting player of the year he is sexy. No question the best looking player in Western New York. He can’t be asking out of games come playoff time but me and the girls are looking forward to getting our hands on Stan in the Fall. He is the Tom Brady of High School basketball and that really should count for something I think.

  17. Andrew Webster Avatar
    Andrew Webster

    MIG that’s kind of weird that your calling a high school player sexy. If that doesn’t make him feel uncomfortable, I don’t know what does.

  18. Later to the Show Avatar
    Later to the Show

    Paige would have NO shot this year. Dudes, look at his numbers. Not enough production, not well rounded enough. Undeniable!
    How about that Triple Bypass Burger at The Heart Attack Grill, better stay away from that stuff. Stick to pizza, maybe white pizza with some grilled chicken and veggie toppings, drizzle of extra virgin olive oil… oooh, it’s so good. Hey, Mr.Food, get outta here.
    See you at the Bengal House! Sorry, we’re outta pizza already.

  19. TakeItToTheHole Avatar
    TakeItToTheHole

    Paige is playing in a league and section with more Division 1 commits and higher ranked teams. Yet he is still a player of the year candidate there. I highly disagree he would have no shot here. At Jamestown he would’ve averaged probably 30 ppg after getting 26 last year. He would’ve been AT LEAST co-player of the year with Weir or Agbeko or whomever is selected. Paige is also a better shooter than Weir which is interesting because he seems to be labeled as a pure shooter. Paige is shooting 40% from 3. He is also a superior athlete. I think all 3 are VERY good high school players and are Division 1 caliber, I just think it’s foolish to say Paige would have no shot.

  20. Northtowns Avatar
    Northtowns

    I think the Paige would have no shot comment was a joke. Made me laugh. We wouldn’t have even discussed it if he were here. Reggie and Wier are great but Paige was at a different level and the most exciting player since Flynn.

  21. Sam Avatar
    Sam

    Patrick Moran says Fisher should have been POY last year not Paige.

  22. centercourt Avatar
    centercourt

    I read that comment too, and as you pointed out, Paige was the BSD POY.

  23. TML1000 Avatar
    TML1000

    In this year’s ECIC, yea, JP could have averaged whatever he wanted.

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